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User:Sceptre and User:Undead warrior abusing rollback and Twinkle: reply to Urban Rose





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As I was saying, I created a new deletion review for Encyclopedia Dramatica and Sceptre immediately closed it as “disruption [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADeletion_review%2FLog%2F2008_May_3&diff=209980693&oldid=209980219]. Ironically, he was the one being disruptive by closing a nom despite not being an admin and without giving a clear reason. “Disruptive request” is not a clear reason. I reverted this, and Sceptre proceeded to use rollback and eventually Twinkle to continue to revert my edits to the page, marking them as “vandalism” with Twinkle [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADeletion_review%2FLog%2F2008_May_3&diff=209981336&oldid=209981124] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_May_3&diff=next&oldid=209981629] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_May_3&diff=next&oldid=209981948]. He also reverted two comments I placed on his talk page asking him to stop [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASceptre&diff=209981576&oldid=209981502] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sceptre&diff=next&oldid=209981916] and even a report I placed on WP:AN of our dispute.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&diff=209982554&oldid=209982198], My final revert of his edit was reverted by [[User:Undead warrior]] using rollback [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_May_3&diff=next&oldid=209982320], another non-admin who had no business closing a legitimate deletion review. As result of the incident, I was blocked for disruption, while Sceptre and Undead warrior were not, and I will point out that I was never given a clear reason for being blocked, and as a result I have permanent record of having been blocked for “disruptive editing” in my block log. The only violation of policy I believe I could have been possibly held responsible for is breaking the 3RR, though this was never cited as a reason for my block, and in the context I do not believe I was violating the 3RR, as Sceptre’s edits were clearly ones he had no business making. I have emailed both users informing them of what they did and that I would file a request to have their rollback and Twinkle privileges suspended if they continued such behavior in the future, and have received two responses from Undead warrior (I will forward these emails to a user upon request) which basically claimed that my edits were “vandalism” and cited WP:SNOW (which isn’t policy) as his reason for unilaterally closing the nom despite not being an administrator. I will leave notices on both their talk pages of this thread. I don’t recommend a block for either one of them, as that would be punitive, but I do believe they should both be given a stern warning by someone other than myself.–[[User:Urban Rose|<font color="purple" face="comic sans ms">Urban</font>]] [[User talk:Urban Rose|<font color="red" face="Papyrus">Rose</font>]] 11:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
As I was saying, I created a new deletion review for Encyclopedia Dramatica and Sceptre immediately closed it as “disruption [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADeletion_review%2FLog%2F2008_May_3&diff=209980693&oldid=209980219]. Ironically, he was the one being disruptive by closing a nom despite not being an admin and without giving a clear reason. “Disruptive request” is not a clear reason. I reverted this, and Sceptre proceeded to use rollback and eventually Twinkle to continue to revert my edits to the page, marking them as “vandalism” with Twinkle [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADeletion_review%2FLog%2F2008_May_3&diff=209981336&oldid=209981124] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_May_3&diff=next&oldid=209981629] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_May_3&diff=next&oldid=209981948]. He also reverted two comments I placed on his talk page asking him to stop [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASceptre&diff=209981576&oldid=209981502] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sceptre&diff=next&oldid=209981916] and even a report I placed on WP:AN of our dispute.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&diff=209982554&oldid=209982198], My final revert of his edit was reverted by [[User:Undead warrior]] using rollback [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2008_May_3&diff=next&oldid=209982320], another non-admin who had no business closing a legitimate deletion review. As result of the incident, I was blocked for disruption, while Sceptre and Undead warrior were not, and I will point out that I was never given a clear reason for being blocked, and as a result I have permanent record of having been blocked for “disruptive editing” in my block log. The only violation of policy I believe I could have been possibly held responsible for is breaking the 3RR, though this was never cited as a reason for my block, and in the context I do not believe I was violating the 3RR, as Sceptre’s edits were clearly ones he had no business making. I have emailed both users informing them of what they did and that I would file a request to have their rollback and Twinkle privileges suspended if they continued such behavior in the future, and have received two responses from Undead warrior (I will forward these emails to a user upon request) which basically claimed that my edits were “vandalism” and cited WP:SNOW (which isn’t policy) as his reason for unilaterally closing the nom despite not being an administrator. I will leave notices on both their talk pages of this thread. I don’t recommend a block for either one of them, as that would be punitive, but I do believe they should both be given a stern warning by someone other than myself.–[[User:Urban Rose|<font color="purple" face="comic sans ms">Urban</font>]] [[User talk:Urban Rose|<font color="red" face="Papyrus">Rose</font>]] 11:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:On the face of it, Sceptre ”does” seem to have been grossly abusing Twinkle/rollback, mis-labelling vandalism and removing a thread from ANI - very naughty. Your request didn’t seem disruptive to me. But let’s hear what he has to say. <small”white-space:nowrap;size:95%;color:#2F74FF”>—<small>”’[[User:TreasuryTag|TreasuryTag]]”’</small>—<small>”’[[User talk:TreasuryTag|t]]”’</small>—<small>”’[[Special:Contributions/TreasuryTag|c]]”’</small></small> 11:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
:On the face of it, Sceptre ”does” seem to have been grossly abusing Twinkle/rollback, mis-labelling vandalism and removing a thread from ANI - very naughty. Your request didn’t seem disruptive to me. But let’s hear what he has to say. <small”white-space:nowrap;size:95%;color:#2F74FF”>—<small>”’[[User:TreasuryTag|TreasuryTag]]”’</small>—<small>”’[[User talk:TreasuryTag|t]]”’</small>—<small>”’[[Special:Contributions/TreasuryTag|c]]”’</small></small> 11:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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:The disruption was in the numerous requests you were making, despite being told that this wasn’t going to happen. I have seen you on another site taking your above argument (in itself pretty [[Wikipedia:GOOGLE#Biases_to_be_aware_of|vacuous]]) to the extreme of “if an article offends people, Wikipedia should doubly have it”. Now, you were not blocked for 3RR — I don’t know where that idea came from. You were blocked for clear disruption when it should not have been hard to work out what was reasonable behaviour. To call Sceptre’s actions “abuse” is a major exaggeration of reality, though perhaps his actions could have benefited from further reflection. [[User:Sam Korn|Sam Korn]] <sup>[[User talk:Sam Korn|(smoddy)]]</sup> 11:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
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